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John McDonnell, leading spirit among Labour MPs in the Socialist Campaign Group, interviews Mark Serwotka about the government's proposals for workfare and private welfare insurance. Mark is a leading left winger on the TUC. He is General Secretary of PCS, the union that represents those charged with carrying out New Labour's welfare 'reforms.' Their task is made all the harder by the government's decision to get rid of 30,000 workers at the Department of Work and Pensions. John and Mark discuss the fightback against the government's plans.